I want to ask, did Allāh exist without a place? I’m really confused, please explain it, so that I can understand this issue. What is the correct ‘Aqeedah regarding it? As far as my knowledge goes, the Ashā’ira hold this ‘Aqeedah. They mention this hadith:
“Allah was when there was nothing else than Him, and His Throne was upon the water…” The hadith is in Sahih Bukhari. One of them gave this explanation:
“The hadith is direct. Allah existed and there was NOTHING before him. So that means everything other than Allah is a creation. Allah is the only One without a beginning. If you believe the throne is eternal with Allah like the Wahhabis (believe), then that is explicit blasphemy. Because Allah created the throne.”
So was the Throne present with Allāh, before Allāh created everything, or is it part of His creation, or is there entirely, some other explanation?
Praise
be to Allah.
Firstly:
Part of the ‘aqeedah (belief) of Ahl as-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa‘ah is to believe
that Allah, may He be exalted, rose above His Throne (in a manner that
befits His Majesty); His Throne is above His heavens; and He, may He be
glorified, is not encompassed by any of His creation.
Please see the answer to question no. 124469
Secondly:
The Throne is created; it did not exist then it existed, and it is the
greatest of all created things.
Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said, as was narrated from him in
Maraatib al-Ijmaa‘:
(The scholars) are unanimously agreed that Allah is One and has no partner
or associate, and He is the creator of all things other than Himself; and
that He, may He be exalted, was One, and there was nothing besides Him with
Him. Then He created all things as He willed. And (the scholars) are
unanimously agreed that the soul is created, the Throne is created, the
entire universe is created.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said, in his
commentary on that:
With regard to the unanimous agreement of the early generations and Ahl as-Sunnah
wa’l-Jamaa‘ah that Allah alone is the Creator of all things, this is true.
End quote from Naqd Maraatib al-Ijmaa‘ (303).
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) also said:
The Throne is created. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “and
He is the Lord of the Mighty Throne” [at-Tawbah 9:129]. He is the
Creator of all things, the Throne and everything else, and the Lord of all
things, the Throne and everything else. End quote.
Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa
(18/214)
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
The Throne is a great creation; no one knows its size except Allah. End
quote.
Majmoo‘ Fataawa wa Rasaa’il Ibn ‘Uthaymeen
(7/287)
If
anyone claims that any of Ahl as-Sunnah, or those whom they call Wahhabis,
says that the Throne existed from eternity and was not created, and that it
is eternal like the Creator, may He be glorified, he has fabricated a lie
and is claiming something false. This is the way of many of the followers of
innovation who seek to undermine Ahl as-Sunnah and falsely accuse them of
falsehood. It may be said to these people: “Produce
your proof if you are truthful”
[al-Baqarah 2:111]. So
produce a single letter of the words of Ahl as-Sunnah to suggest that the
Throne is eternal like Allah and was always with Him, may He be glorified!
Thirdly:
The majority of scholars are of the view that the Throne was the first thing
to be created. Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
The first thing that Allah created of the things that are known to us was
the Throne, and He rose over it (in a manner that befits His Majesty) after
He had created the heavens, as Allah, may He be exalted, says
(interpretation of the meaning): “And He it is Who has created the
heavens and the earth in six Days and His Throne was on the water, that He
might try you, which of you is the best in deeds” [Hood 11:7].
End quote from Fataawa wa Rasaa’il al-‘Uthaymeen (1/62)
Please see also the answer to question no. 145809.
Fourthly:
Al-Bukhaari (7418) narrated from ‘Imraan ibn Husayn (may Allah be pleased
with him) that some people from Yemen asked the Prophet (blessings and peace
of Allah be upon him) about how the matter was from the very beginning. He
said: “There was Allah and nothing existed before Him, and His Throne was on
the water. Then He created the heavens and the earth, and He wrote in all
things in al-Lawh al-Mahfooz.”
According to another report (3191) he said: “There was Allah and nothing
existed except Him.”
The Throne of the Most Gracious, may He be glorified, is part of His
creation. He created it before He created the heavens and the earth and all
that is therein. The hadith quoted above indicates that in the beginning
there was nothing except Allah, may He be exalted: no Throne and no other
created thing. Then He, may He be glorified, created the Throne, then He
created all other created things.
Please see the answers to questions no. 146779 and
184797.
Fifthly:
The deniers among the Jahamis and others who followed their path in denying
the divine attributes added something odd to this hadith for which there is
no basis. They said: “Allah was and there was nothing with Him, and He is
now as He was then.” What they mean by that is to deny what the Lord, may He
be exalted, has affirmed for Himself of rising and descending.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
One of the most significant foundations on which these pantheists, heretics
and claimants of true gnosis rely is what they claim to narrate from the
Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), according to which he
said: “Allah was and there was nothing with Him, and He is now as He was
then.”
This additional material, namely the words “and He is now as He was then”
are a lie and falsely attributed to the Messenger of Allah (blessings and
peace of Allah be upon him). The scholars are unanimously agreed that this
hadith is fabricated and made up, and it is not to be found in any of the
compilations of hadith, whether major or minor. It was not narrated by any
of the scholars with any isnaad, be it saheeh (sound) or da‘eef (weak), or
with an unknown isnaad. Rather these words were spoken by some of the later
Jahami philosophers, and were taken from them by these people who reached
the most extreme form of Jahami thought, namely denial of the divine
attributes and heresy.
What the Jahami philosophers meant by this heretical additional material,
which is the words “and He is now as He was then” was to deny the attributes
with which Allah described Himself, namely His rising over the Throne and
His descending to the lowest heaven, and so on. They said: He existed from
eternity, and had not risen over the Throne, and He is now as He was then;
so He is not over the Throne, because that is suggestive of change and
alteration.
End quote.
Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa
(2/272-273)
He
also (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
An
important principle: based on sound narration, confirming that Allah, may He
be exalted, is the Most High. This is something which all people must
believe in. And He is above His Throne, as is confirmed in the Qur’an and
Sunnah, and by scholarly consensus, sound rational thinking, and sound,
unchanged, human nature.
What must be said is: Allah was and there was nothing with Him, then He
created the universe. One of the following must be the case:
either He
created it within Himself and is attached to it, which is impossible,
because Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, is far above contact with or
attachment to filth, impurities, and devils;
or He
created it outside Himself, then He entered it, which is impossible because
Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, is far above residing in any created
things. These two scenarios are wrong, and this is one of the matters
concerning which there is no dispute at all among the Muslims;
or He
created it outside Himself, and He is not residing in it. This is the truth,
and nothing else is possible. Allah will not accept anything else from us;
rather He has forbidden to us that which contradicts it.
This argument is one of the arguments that Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (may Allah
have mercy on him) used against the Jahamis during the turmoil they put him
through.
Hence according to a sound report narrated from him, when it was said to
‘Abdullah ibn al-Mubaarak: How do we know our Lord? He said: By the fact
that He is above the heavens, above His Throne, distinct from His creation.
It
is on this basis that the consensus of the Sahaabah, the Taabi‘een, their
followers and all the imams who are known among the ummah for their
sincerity, is based, and no one of any merit differed with them.
If
anyone claims that rational thinking contradicts and differs from the
religious texts, his claim is false, because it cannot be imagined that
sound rational thinking would contradict the soundly narrated text.
Those who differ from the Qur’an and Sunnah, and scholarly consensus, and
claim that they have sound rational arguments, only have arguments that
appear to be rational but are not. Whoever wants to reach the right
conclusion concerning this matter should base his argument on definitive and
overwhelming proof that is mentioned elsewhere.
End quote from Jaami‘ al-Masaa’il (1/63-64)
Sixthly:
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) spoke of the statement
made by one who says that the idea that Allah should be regarded as being
far above place and direction is not correct, because this idea is not
befitting to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted. He said:
This is not correct in general terms. But if he means that Allah is not
encompassed by any place, may He be glorified and exalted, then this is
correct. For Allah, may He be exalted, cannot be encompassed by anything of
His creation, for He is too great and mighty to be encompassed by anything.
How could that be so when He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And
on the Day of Resurrection the whole of the earth will be grasped by His
Hand and the heavens will be rolled up in His Right Hand”
[az-Zumar 39:67]? If
what he means by his denial of place (in relation to Allah) is to deny that
Allah is high or above His creation, then this denial is not correct; rather
it is invalid according to the Qur’an and Sunnah, the consensus of the
earlier generations, rational thinking and common sense.
It
is proven from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) that
he said to the slave woman: “Where is Allah?’ and she said: “Above the
heavens. He said to her owner: “Set her free, for she is a believer.”
Everyone who calls upon Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, will only
direct his focus upward. This is the natural instinct that Allah has
instilled in His creation, so no one deviates from it except one who has
been confused by the devils. You will not find anyone who calls upon Allah,
may He be glorified and exalted, and still possesses sound human nature,
turning his focus (when praying to Allah) towards the right or the left, or
downwards, or in any other direction. Rather the focus of his heart will
always be upwards.
End quote from Majmoo‘ Fataawa wa Rasaa’il al-‘Uthaymeen (1/196-197)
The scholars of the Standing Committee were asked about the phrase: “Be
certain that Allah exists beyond place or direction.”
They replied:
This phrase is false, because it is contrary to what is proven in the Qur’an
and Sunnah, that Allah, may He be exalted, is above His heavens, risen over
His Throne, distinct from His creation. This is contrary to what the deniers
among the extreme Jahamis, and those who followed their false path, said.
End quote.
Fataawa al-Lajnah ad-Daa’imah
(2/386)
See also the answer to question no.
162155
And Allah knows best.
